Funny Business

The comedian Dina Hashem discusses joke writing, Jersey comedy clubs, and building a career in the age of Netflix

by

Max Ogryzko

Season Categories Published
MP504 Q&A

Mar 29, 2022


Share on

I’ve tried stand-up comedy six times at this point. I’ve begun every set with renewed excitement that this will be the crowd that laughs at my personal favorite joke: “I used to dislike the taste of vegetables, and now I eat ass.” 

Still no luck. I have no idea how I can make that not funny, I mean it is funny, right? Is it my delivery? I guess it’s all about delivery.

Dina Hashem is a master of delivery. Her shy, reserved presence animates her withering lines. Hashem, in the 2017 RoastMasters Tournament, to some “big loud guy” (Dave Kinney): “Dave, it’s impressive you can be so large, and yet so unnoticeable.” Hashem on Mike Recine, who, she reports, has “sent a dick pic to every female comic in the city”: “His pick-up line is ‘can you help me finish this joke?’”

Hashem first tried stand-up at the 2010 New Jersey Comedy Festival. She won first place. Now she’s a regular at the Comedy Cellar and the Stand, clubs which have launched the careers of Aziz Ansari, Jon Stewart, Sarah Silverman, Robin Williams, Chris Rock, Amy Schumer, and Bill Burr, among many many others. 

I was curious about the nitty-gritty details of how a professional writes jokes and builds a comedy career. In our interview, which is edited for clarity and concision, we discussed grimy Jersey comedy clubs, the power of Netflix and social media, and what it’s like to watch a crowd laugh at something you’ve said so many times that you don’t even think it’s funny anymore. 


I have stand-up ambitions myself, so I’m curious about the arc of your career. I read that you got started on a whim in college and you entered a competition while at Rutgers. Is comedy something that you secretly always wanted to do? 

I did not ever want to be a stand-up comedian. It was never on my mind. It really just happened to be that I had a friend in my philosophy program who wanted to do it. I still don’t really remember why I decided I would do it, too. I think about it often. I guess it just sounded fun and I liked this particular person, so I thought it would be fun to do together. So I wrote five minutes of jokes, which I’d never really done before, and we helped each other figure out our sets, and then I did the first round and I did really well, and then I ended up winning. 

I guess what really attracted me to it and kept me doing it was the fact that I could speak to strangers and crowds of people for the first time, which I had never been able to do. I’ve had really bad social anxiety my entire life, and was not used to speaking vulnerably about myself, or anything really. So when I found this vehicle of being able to do that, I got addicted. The real function of it at the beginning was not just to be funny. It was a form of therapy, which I hate saying because I hate when comedians say comedy is therapy. But it really was for me. 

I read that the money you made from that competition was the most money you made in comedy for the next seven years? 

Yeah, for sure. I won a thousand dollars. 

Oh, wow. 

Yeah. I definitely didn’t see any money like that for years after that. 

In the early years after graduating, how did you fit comedy into your life? 

It became my full focus. I mean, I had other jobs. But it was the main thing I was interested in. The Stress Factory is still the main club in New Jersey, and luckily that was right in the middle of Rutgers campus, so that’s where I spent a lot of time. There is an open mic every week that I would go to. And then I made friends with other Jersey comedians and so we would drive around to whatever mics were in other parts of the state. Some of the worst mics I’ve ever done, pretty much. 

How come? 

The environments were so insane. First of all, there were not a lot of women comedians. I distinctly remember being one of the only ones, so I was just constantly around guys who think they’re funny and are not, and also just screaming, and lots of creeps. I always stuck out, which is a good thing, but also—there was a sports bar where we would perform and people would just want us to shut up because they were trying to watch sports.

Do you remember how often you would try and mix in new material at that time? 

I was constantly coming up with new things. In the beginning you’re just flooded with ideas because you’re not really sure yet what your voice is, or what’s funny, or what’s already been done, so you’re throwing everything out there. I definitely had one joke that has survived throughout the beginning until now: that Beatles joke that I told in my first Conan set

The “Help” one?

Yeah. [“What Beatles song would you make love to me to?” “Uh… ‘Help’?”] I definitely would use that. There are some jokes that were solid enough that I knew that I could get a laugh if I needed to. Those jokes are really important at the beginning. 

I haven’t done that many open mics, and I’m also based in Salt Lake. I don’t know if you’ve ever been to Wise Guys, but it’s the main comedy club here. At the open mic night, there’s a bunch of weirdos yelling about Hillary Clinton and just randomly going off. But anyways, I have found that if you don’t start off well with a good joke, then you’re just kind of fucked. Or at least I am. 

Yeah, as you progress you’re more comfortable with digging yourself into a hole if you want to try something new because you do know that you have some things in your back pocket. 

I would assume that jokes at a certain point, since you’ve been doing them for years, are not even funny to you anymore. Is it weird to tell them and then hear the room laugh even when you personally don’t think they’re funny anymore? 

Oh yeah, absolutely. I don’t even know if some of my jokes are funny anymore. I just know that people laugh at them, even though I’m like, “I don’t think I would laugh at this.” There’s such a weird detachment from your material that happens after enough time passes, and the amount of time that passes between thinking one of your jokes is funny and then not being sure why it was funny in the first place becomes shorter and shorter the longer you do it.

Do you feel that it’s hard to try new stuff when you’re in New York? 

The main place I go up these days is the Comedy Cellar, which is not the place you want to be constantly trying new things. So whenever I get booked at any new place is where I try to pepper in new things. 

Do you remember how your “if there’s grass on the field, play ball” joke came about? [“I had to be like, ‘if the grass is too thick to move into, they cancel the game?’”]

That was one of those jokes that just came into my head all perfect and crisp, which happens less and less the longer I do this. I feel like some of my best jokes are often just completely inspired. They come from some sort of comedy muse and they appear in my head. And then the ones where I really need to think about it are generally not my favorite jokes. That was a lucky one. 

I tried out the Judd Apatow MasterClass and he suggested thinking of ideas and writing down maybe 20 jokes for each of them. Does your writing style resemble that in any way, or is there anything interesting that you have found works for you?

I still haven’t figured it out. That Judd thing you just said—that sounds like a pretty good idea. Maybe I’ll try that one out. I don’t know! I want to just rely on my brain delivering me gifts, but like I said, it happens less and less. 

These days, I dig into my past a lot. I think about things that have happened to me or people in my life, and things that were funny at the time about the situation, and I try to think about why they’re funny and then try to come up with a premise-punch format for it. 

For the most part, my jokes are pretty short. I don’t really know how to tell stories. It’s something I should probably work on. If I’m doing a headline set, if I’m doing 45 minutes, it’s basically just an organized-by-theme collection of my jokes where I’m trying to find a logical way that they lead into each other so that I can remember the order. 

What has it meant for you to become more professional in your comedy? 

It’s a lot less fun, mostly. I look back on those earlier years where really all you were concerned about was writing jokes and being with your friends and riding from show to show and just trying to impress each other and impress the best comic in the room. It was a lot more about stand-up in its purity, which is what I liked about it. Then as you try to make it your actual job, and it’s really about money and your career, everything that isn’t just being on stage gets involved. And none of that is fun, worrying about showbiz and marketing yourself and social media now. It becomes a job. 

What’s your next step? 

Everyone’s thinking about their special. The landscape right now is so fucked up… There’s a million different channels and it’s not clear what’s getting views and what isn’t. Right now it seems like Netflix and YouTube are the places that get the highest views. So you can either win the lottery and get paid a bunch to do some sort of Netflix thing, or you can put out your material for free on YouTube. Those seem to be the best options for getting the most amount of eyeballs on your work. And if you can’t get Netflix or you don’t want to put out your material for free, you can try to go to one of the other places, but it’s not clear who’s watching—is that going to help you sell tickets on the road? Because the idea is to put something out that a lot of people see, and then you can tour and make money. 

Right now, I really want to put something out, but I have to decide if I should wait and hope if something like Netflix works out. I haven’t put out anything very long—like you said, just a few minutes here and there—but I have all this stuff I need to dump, you know? Because the longer I hold on to it, the more I’m afraid of dumping it, because then I’ll have to start over again, but in order to continue writing and coming up with things, I think part of that is getting rid of material. It’s at a juncture now, where I’m deciding what to record and where and how to put it out, and when. 

I’ve been reading some of the YouTube comments on your videos, and it seems like everyone just wants more. 

Oh that’s good to hear, I don’t read the comments anymore. 

They mostly just say “wow, she killed it.” And I’m not just saying that, there’s that video of you in the roast where you destroy that guy and people on other videos are like, “oh, is this the person that destroyed that dude?”

Anyways, I think part of what made that roast so awesome is your strong delivery, with a low-key presence on stage. Is that a persona that you are putting on? Or do you feel like that’s basically you? What is the difference between the Dina Hashem we see on stage and the person who just exists in the world? 

The general vibe on stage is definitely a part of me and part of my general way of going about life. But the part that’s not there is me being goofy and more animated, like I am with my friends or my boyfriend. 

That aspect I haven’t brought to the stage. I’m not sure if it makes sense to, or if I want to, because my stage delivery evolved from a real place of being anxious and afraid and shy. Then it gradually became more loose and more me, but still not completely like every facet of how I behave in my life: a dilution of the darker and drier part of me. 

There’s the stereotype that comedians are jealous or mad at other people’s success. Did you have a phase where you related to other comedians in a way that you look back on as misguided?

I think in the years of trying to get to a place of like, “OK, now I feel like a comedian, now I feel like I have enough evidence that I am good and I can continue to do this”—up until then you view it as a contest. You see who’s getting ahead and if you feel like you’re better than them. Then you get sad. 

Nate Bargatze has my favorite line about that on the Pete Holmes podcast, where he would say to his agent “just please don’t make me hate my friends.” You don’t want to get jealous of your friends for getting further—not because you begrudge them their success but because you start looking at yourself like, “Oh my god, what am I doing wrong? I’m going to fall behind. Am I going to be somebody or not?”

I think those feelings are unavoidable. The more comfortable you get with what you’re doing and what work you’re getting, some of that goes away. It’s just fun also to get mad at other comedians. But mostly I think that anger gets transferred to the proper place, which is the people in power, the people making the decisions. Being mad at executives’ decisions—I don’t think that ever goes away. 

What is your view on using social media to promote yourself? It seems like you don’t really like it very much. 

Well, I think it’s poison. If you’re a regular human being, there’s no need to have it. And if I wasn’t doing comedy, then I wouldn’t have it. But it’s become this integral part of trying to reach people. It’s tied up with how it’s easy to complain about the industry, but now there’s this whole other way to promote yourself and find your own audience and make your own living, so you can’t really complain. I mean, you can, but it is this other outlet and way to do it. 

It’s hard to figure out. These algorithms are basically their own sort of executive power. You don’t really know how they work. It’s a mystery. You don’t want to think that you have to keep putting out your work for free either, but that apparently has become a model of building a career. You don’t want to think of yourself as just helping these social media apps profit margins with your own work you’ve put out for free, but it is exposure.

I don’t know. I know I have to do it. There’s comics who do it really well, like my friend Sam Morril has really cracked it and he’s a machine, so it’s hard to copy what he does because he puts out so much material. It’s insane. So you have to do it unless you’re one of these people who just gets chosen by the industry to be a star, and then you don’t have to. But that’s obviously not many people. ▩


Asim Chaudhry: 2021 Mangoprism Person of the Year

Chaudhry’s character Chabuddy G delighted us with his incessant peacocking, self-delusion, and capacity for reinvention

by

Danny Schwartz

Season Categories Published
MP414 Person of the Year

Dec 28, 2021


Share on

For the last two years my favorite TV show has been People Just Do Nothing, a BBC mockumentary about a clique of man-children who run a shitty pirate radio station in West London called Kurupt FM. The Kurupt FM boys fantasize about mainstream glory yet remain stubbornly devoted to drum & bass and UK garage, commercially outdated strains of club music from the ‘90s and early ‘00s. People Just Do Nothing is a show about the slow death of big dreams, as well as the hijinks that ensue when delusions of grandeur persist.

I first learned about PDJN from the rapper Danny Brown, whose own artistic identity revolves around the fact that, against all odds, he didn’t develop a sustainable rap career until his 30s. “People Just Do Nothing is almost like my music—it’s so fucking funny and self-aware, but also so dark,” Brown said. “I don’t shed too many tears, but [the series] finale definitely struck a chord. For it to end the way it did—with main character MC Grindah realizing that he’s in his 30s and music is moving on without him, and he’ll probably never make it in the industry—that was something that was so close. I was pretty much like that.”

The best character in People Just Do Nothing is Chabuddy G, the relentless grifter played by Asim Chaudhry. A friend, manager, and hype man of Kurupt FM, Chabuds is not beholden to the same musical-biological clock as the group’s narcissistic leader Grindah. He is an undocumented immigrant from Lahore who has assimilated into the rhythms of London life in flamboyant fashion, a self-styled “ultrapaneer” who is constantly concocting new hare-brained schemes big and small. Each venture—the Kurupt FM studio soundproof walls, the knock-off designer T-shirts (“Dolce & Gabbana? Nah mate, Deepak & Gurdev.”), the asbestos-infested DIY nightclub—is doomed to fail. PDJN charts the excruciating downward trajectory of Chabuddy G. In each of the five seasons, his ponytail grows longer and his life takes a new turn for the worse. His Polish mail-order bride Aldona leaves him; he becomes homeless. But the hallmark of Chabuddy is that he never gives up, a testament to his self-delusion, desperation, and determination. He doesn’t change much over the course of the show, even as his prospects grow steadily more bleak. If anything, defeat emboldens him. With nothing to lose, he courts failure with gusto.

Chaudhry met the other creators and cast of People Just Do Nothing during college through music. They conceived the show as a take on the 2004 pirate radio docu-series Tower Block Dreams, filtered through their own experiences in hip hop, pirate radio, and fake garage crews. Chaudhry was known then as a battle rapper, and he operated behind the camera for the show’s early webisodes before debuting Chabuds on-screen, building out the suave persona he sometimes used to prank call brothels.

Chaudhry has notably appeared in DC superhero movies and Stephen Merchant projects, but no matter how far he goes as an actor, he will always have a hard time topping his portrayal of Chabuddy G. It is probably not a coincidence that his most iconic role draws heavily on his own life. Chaudhry has said that Chabuddy is a composite of his own dad, uncles, friends, and supremely overconfident UK comedy characters like Del Boy and Alan Partridge. Chabuddy claims to be the unofficial mayor of Hounslow, the West London melting pot from which Chaudhry hails.

The legend of Chabuddy G still grows in 2021. Earlier this year, BBC Films released People Just Do Nothing: Big In Japan, a film that picks up the threads of Kurupt FM three years after the series ended with a deeply bittersweet sense of closure and new beginnings (including the launch of an exciting new business venture for Chabuds). Chabuddy is still living out of his van when he gets wind that Kurupt’s pugnacious single “Heart Monitor Riddem” has become an unexpected hit in Japan. And so, he jets off to Tokyo with the Kurupt boys to capitalize on this seemingly golden opportunity. 

In the movie, as in the show, Chabuddy shares apocryphal biographical details from his past. For example, we learn that, in the ‘90s, he took over a Hounslow titty bar and saved it from certain economic death. Chabuddy exists in an alternate reality, one of his own invention—and indeed, what a life this man has lived. He’s like the Dos Equis Most Interesting Man in the World™, but the opposite and even more interesting.

This year, the line between reality and fiction for Chabuddy G and Kurupt FM continued to blur. Chaudhry regularly posts as Chabuddy on Instagram and TikTok, dispensing questionable advice and realizing the character’s ultimate destiny as social media personality. The musically talented cast of PJDN put out an album of wall-to-wall Kurupt FM slaps, a showcase of their slick, call-and-response-heavy take on garage that illustrates how the group’s pronounced character flaws, more than the music itself, is the root cause of their depressing lack of success in the show. In the music videos, Chabuddy G can be found bribing used-car salesmen and bopping in the background with his black pleather jacket and Gator-skin shoes. Undoubtedly he is drenched in his “Sean Paul Gaultier” signature cologne. He even stars in his own song, “Aldona,” a funky lament about his ex-wife. (“She was so cold… yet so hot.”)

My own wife can’t stand Chabuddy G. As I’ve rewatched People Just Do Nothing several times in the last couple years, our opposing reactions towards the character has been something of an inside joke. While Chabuddy’s swashbuckling fashion choices, unwarranted confidence, and incessant peacocking tend to nauseate her, these things have brought me great joy. To borrow a phrase from the comedian Jaboukie Young-White, Chabuddy, by his nature, is always raw-dogging reality. As I have maintained a relatively staid lifestyle, his vivid, if pathetic, existence has resonated with me and given me vicarious pleasure. I admire his capacity for adventure. I am drawn to his complicated and largely invisible backstory and his instinct for reinvention. Hope springs eternal in the heart of Chabuddy G. He’s a self-made man, even if he has nothing to show for it. ▩

Fremdschämen No More

My humorous Parisian life

by

Celia Gurney

Season Published
MP302

Oct 20, 2020


Share on

It was 2015. I needed a job and wanted out of Seattle after growing up and going to college in the same six-mile bubble. The solution came via a post on a neighborhood blog: FRENCH FAMILY SEEKS AU PAIR. A woman named Valérie needed someone to watch her seven-year-old twins in Paris. The au pair would take French classes at the Sorbonne and live in a separate dorm-style room in the family’s apartment building in the heart of the city. Food, a cell phone plan, health insurance and a metro card would be provided.

A brand new life without having to do any of the boring parts of setting up a new life?! I was sold! After a couple of Skype calls to be reasonably sure it wasn’t an elaborate human trafficking scheme, I applied for my visa and booked a one-way flight to Charles de Gaulle. For the next 15 months, I forged a new life against the backdrop of my old one, mingling the lessons conferred by each and adjusting their ratios to create a cocktail of my own design. 

This process began in the apartment where I now lived and worked. Valérie and her partner Yann were younger than my parents and in a committed civil union, but unmarried. (Umm, romantic much??) I was mesmerized by Valérie’s collections of work-appropriate jumpsuits, books from a past life in publishing, pastel bottles of creams and lotions jostling for space on the bathroom counter. She thought pansexuality was beautiful and that an apartment without music was “sad.” She gave toasts! On Sundays, Yann closed the kitchen door, turned the radio up and made soups, quiche or crème caramel. He disapproved of the way I said “mmhmm” instead of opening my mouth to say yes. We bonded over Saturday Night Live and at Christmas dinner, he made his teenage nieces and nephew laugh till they cried at the far end of the table.

The twins, Adèle and Héloïse, were climbing all over me within minutes of my arrival. They were identical, with big brown eyes, the kind of full brows Glossier claims it can give you, and wavy, walnut-colored hair that formed rats’ nests if you looked away for too long. Big emotions bubbled out of their compact, wiry bodies: giddiness when we counted cars in a traffic jam, indignance when I confiscated a ball of Silly Putty they’d decorated with shards of broken glass.

Adèle once explained with a world-weary sigh that she had wanted to be a stylist when she grew up—until she realized her sister would be “saving the world” as a veterinarian. Héloïse so ardently believed Peaches the woolly mammoth should have married Ethan instead of Julian in Ice Age 5 that she wrote a letter to Pixar about it. They had already had American au pairs for years and sounded like native English speakers. With each other though, they broke into high-speed French, entering a universe all their own that was impervious to interruption by adults or oncoming traffic. They required hawk-like supervision on sidewalks. 

When I was in elementary school, I achieved autonomy over my homework by proactively doing it before getting back to whichever YA fantasy novel I was sure to finish by bedtime. I was also really unpleasant to anyone who tried to help. Thus, it was generally from a safe distance that my parents encouraged me to do my best.

Adèle and Héloïse were as obsessed with books as I’d been, but firmly eschewed the work-before-play model. They had to be coaxed from the toilet, where they’d linger reading as long as they could, to the coffee table to do their homework. Once they were there, it was an interactive—and even physical!—activity. One time I was reading Adèle vocabulary words to spell while she did a headstand facing the couch. A few words in she lost her balance and fell backwards, screaming as her nose crunched up against the base and started pouring blood. Valérie and Yann reviewed the kids’ homework every night and chided them for misspellings and messy handwriting. Valérie’s mom, a retired lawyer who visited from Normandy every month or so, devised additional exercises for them to do as she whipped up crêpes and financiers for their snack.

Beyond my commitments to the twins, I constructed a social life and strove to improve my deficient French. When I spoke to locals in the beginning, they mostly responded in English. Maybe they were just excited to practice with a native speaker, but they might as well have said, “You sound terrible and I can barely understand you.” At my friend Marion’s game nights, I’d move around a lot so that no single person had to spend their entire evening talking about things I had the vocabulary to discuss: hometowns, food, siblings. There was definitely a time where I didn’t understand we were in the middle of a serious geopolitical discussion and piped up to ask Baptiste what his favorite color was.

It was a hectic time. I thought back on high school and college when I was juggling school, work, extracurriculars, dating and friendship—how my parents often told me I was doing too much and needed to slow down. That’s one of my family’s values: not being too busy. We always relished days with no time constraints, where a garage sale would lure neighbors to our garden for coffee and donuts, which would turn into afternoon drinks, which would turn into dinner. Any obligation that cut the flow short was a nuisance. Yet the further into adolescence I got, the more compartmentalized my days became. I developed a reputation for “always rushing off somewhere.” I felt guilty about it.

But as I got to know Valérie, I noticed she moved at my speed. She’d breeze in from work around seven, pour us each an Apérol spritz and give me her undivided attention while we caught up at the kitchen table. Twenty minutes later she’d unapologetically move on to something else, but the duration of our bonding sessions had no bearing on their value. When I was overwhelmed by how many things the girls and I had to do after school—homework, piano, English, bath, dinner—she offered tips for doing them more efficiently. Wash Adèle and Héloïse’s hair every three days instead of two. Use the steamer baskets to cook fish and broccoli at the same time. One evening I was heading off to an open mic and told her I hadn’t had time to practice. Instead of saying, “Well, you pack your days too full, honey!” she waved her hand as if to say not to worry and assured me I would practice on the way there.


It wasn’t the first time someone taught me how to wrangle a part of my life that had been vexing me. In ninth grade, I met my best friend Greta in sixth period choir. As we caught each other up on our entire lives that year (once, famously, behind a music stand that Ms. Burton furiously slammed down, revealing our chattering faces and firmly shutting us up, before continuing her lecture), I was struck by—and studied—the way Greta told stories. She made fun of herself constantly and cackled right along with me and whoever else was listening.

She also laughed a lot at other people’s stories, asking questions to underscore the funniest details and teasing the storytellers in this benevolent way that made it impossible for them to take themselves too seriously. Once I let it slip that I didn’t like showering and definitely didn’t do it every day. She called me Cavewoman for the rest of high school.

I used to get really embarrassed as a kid. Forgetting my clarinet on orchestra day made me burst into tears, and I wished I could sleep for a week after peeing my pants in front of my friend Tim. (Note: I actually peed next to him, but effectively on him. It happened in my family’s Volvo and the pee rolled right across the pleather backseat, soaking his jeans and probably his socks. Tim, a literal angel, had the good instincts to ignore reality and make pleasant nine-year-old small talk while my mom mopped him up with a sweatshirt.) 

I even felt outsized secondhand embarrassment for others. There’s a German word for that: fremdschämen. One afternoon when I was six, I was playing with a friend on the sidewalk outside my house. Partway through our game, we noticed a girl our age walking across the street with her parents. When the girl saw me, she waved enthusiastically and shouted, “Hi, Rachel!” After a moment she realized her mistake and said, “Oops, you’re not Rachel. Sorry!” then skipped off down the block, probably never to think of it again. I spent the rest of the day sobbing on her behalf. 

But in high school, I discovered that telling Greta about an embarrassing moment transformed it into a funny story. It not only inoculated me against all future embarrassment or fremdschämen associated with that moment, it crystallized a conversational centerpiece I could wield proactively! I controlled the narrative!!

That’s how, as high school went on, I became invincible. Getting pantsed in the hall, sneezing a huge snot bubble onto my arm, walking into a pole while casually chatting with an ex: these were stories for the story bank. I paid a lot of attention to funny women, mainly accessible to me via SNL since I didn’t have a computer. Kristen Wiig was my favorite. To be able to so fully inhabit characters as wide-ranging as the Target lady and an A-Hole buying a Christmas tree is simply unjust. 

I eventually learned that the women of SNL had all done improv. So, though I had never seen an improv show or so much as watched Whose Line Is It Anyway, I joined an improv team in college. In the beginning it was terrifying. I was used to memorizing lines, not making them up on the spot! I hated miming objects! Why couldn’t we have real props?! I felt like I had a finite number of characters: condescending English lady, nasally woman who pushes her glasses up her nose for emphasis, Regan MacNeil from The Exorcist. I burned through all of them in the first few weeks. I didn’t know how to track my own improvement, so instead I shouldered the anxiety that comes with taking perpetual shots in the dark. I had a hard time responding to the last thing said because I was trying to think ahead, or because I was distracted by roommate drama.

When improv is good, it’s magical. At its best, it feels like making eye contact with someone across the room and knowing you’re thinking the same thing, and wanting to laugh but having to hold it in because you’re in church or class, which makes the whole thing ten times funnier. At its worst, it can be excruciating. But regardless of how your scene is going, you have to maintain strict control over your brain. You are allowed to think about 1) what your scene partner just said/did and 2) what you’re going to say/do next. You are NOT allowed to think about how the audience feels about your “zombie crow” character or the way you mime grating cheese. It’s kind of like a chaotic version of meditation.

I’d arrived in Paris wanting to take improv classes, but didn’t like the show I saw at the only school with classes in English. So I found an open mic on Meetup.com and decided to become a stand-up comic. I started spending Thursday evenings in a tiny, cave-like smoking room in the basement of an Irish bar near Les Halles. The audience, mostly comics, sat on stools. There was the requisite creepy guy who joked about cheating on his wife.

On the improv team, I’d learned that “the specific is universal.” You could get a laugh at campus shows just by moisturizing with Jergens Natural Glow instead of lotion, or by setting a scene in Lois McDermott’s Psych 101 class. But in front of a largely French audience, most of my go-to specifics were useless. French people hadn’t gone through stereotypically American rites of passage like prom. “Jello salad” meant nothing to them. They had interacted with both children and Americans, however, so material about the kids I nannied or cultural differences between France and the United States was a safe bet. 

I liked responding to things the kids did as if adults had done them. Adèle used the mixed drink emoji in a text I let her send from my phone, which was clearly “a cry for help.” I compared making dinner for her and her sister to being a chef in a restaurant where you also had to bathe guests and then beg them to put underwear on. 

The formality of the French became a recurring theme in my shows. When you enter a group situation in France, you can’t just wave hello to everyone—that’s considered lazy. You’re supposed to cheek-kiss and say “Hello, [NAME],” to each person, which can really eat up a lot of time and derail whatever conversation was going on before you got there. Initially I found this ridiculous, I’d tell audiences. 

But then I imagined trying to explain the rules for American-style group greetings. “Okay, so you hug the people you know really well, shake hands with the people you’ve never met and wave to everyone else. But if you’re good friends with everyone except one person, just hug that person too so they don’t feel left out. Unless they seem like they’re not a hugger, in which case you can wave to them. Though you could just wave to everyone at once if that seems like that’s more the vibe…” We’re a mess.

The formality of the French language was fertile ground as well. When you translate French directly into English, it sounds pretentious. The way French people say “I’m looking at you” literally means “I regard you.” I gawked when Parisians in their 20s talked about wanting to faire l’amour (translation: make sweet love) without a trace of irony. And it wasn’t just their words that sounded flowery, but their rhetoric. While I’d heard American guys push for unprotected sex based on pure sensation, one French guy took a more philosophical approach: “You know een life, we ‘ave to take reesks…”

Years of bombing onstage with my improv team had beaten most of the embarrassment out of my body, and my days in France took care of the rest. Bombing as a stand-up comic felt more personal because I couldn’t chalk it up to an unlikeable character or something one of my teammates had done. If the audience didn’t laugh, it was because they didn’t think I was funny. Or more accurately, I learned to remind myself, they didn’t think my jokes were funny that night


One afternoon toward the end of the year, I waited for the girls outside their school gates under bright gray skies. The usual crowd of parents and nannies spilled off the sidewalk into the alley, some catching up with each other, some on their phones. I greeted the parents I knew: Inès’s mom, Éva and Chloé’s mom, Noémie’s dad. Then the front doors opened and dozens of laughing, shrieking children came pouring down the stairs. Parents waved and shouted names, trying to catch their kids’ eyes before they descended into the throng. The twins’ cartables—stiff, square-shaped backpacks that were almost like briefcases—got stuck on people and things as they fought their way to me. 

Adèle had forgotten her homework again, so as the crowd dispersed, we walked back up the steps to talk to her teacher. I always spoke English with the kids so they could practice, but I addressed Adèle’s teacher in French. She responded—in French! We chatted for a couple minutes, confirming that I understood everything Adèle was supposed to do that evening. 

But while we were talking, Adèle tugged on my arm, muttering about my accent and how she wanted to go. I put myself in her shoes for a second. She usually repelled embarrassment with this classic French gesture where you shrug, blow a truncated raspberry and raise one eyebrow at the same time as if to say, “So?” I liked the way things bounced off her. But here she was feeling embarrassed about being seen with someone who spoke French with an accent. She was probably also feeling fremdschämen. Her head retreated deeper into her faux fur hood. 

“Just a minute, Adèle,” I said.

I turned back to her teacher and finished the conversation. Then Adèle and I headed home with Héloïse to eat clementines and read The Magic Tree House. A few months later, I relocated to New York, a city with world-class improv where everyone moves at my speed. 

Trump, You Can’t Just Say That About Someone!

by

Max Ogryzko

Season Categories Published
MP00 Life

Jul 14, 2017


Share on

In the beginning of the semester, when I was still getting acquainted to the election and its candidates, when I still considered Donald Trump to be a novelty rather than a menace, I was bored and found a YouTube clip titled something like, “Best Trump Moments of his Campaign!” It was around 20 minutes in length, and I ended up watching the whole thing – not because I was actually that bored, but because I was entertained. I thought it was hilarious, and started laughing out loud at several points. Afterwards, however, I was a little taken aback. The things Trump said were at the very least controversial, and for the most part blatantly offensive. Not only that, but he said these things at rallies, debates, talk shows – spaces where humor, or laughter even, is not typically present. So why was I laughing? The things that he said were so ridiculous, so out of character for these events, that my response was laughter rather than outrage. It was funny.

According to Joshua Gunn in his essay titled On Speech and Public Release, this makes perfect sense. Gunn uses the example of the deli scene from the movie When Harry Met Sally to show that a breach in what he calls the “public/private distinction” can be funny. Sally screams orgasmically, an obviously private expression, but does it in a public New York deli. Gunn describes this as a type of “threshold crossing.” Once the threshold is crossed, the response of the audience, in this case, is laughter.

Gunn also remarks that currently our understanding of the public/private distinction seems to be “rapidly transforming and continually under assault”; that it “is ceaselessly asserted anew at and in different locations and context.” Based on Gunn’s ideas, it seems that Donald Trump has made its newest location the election of the President of the United States. However, this isn’t actually new. Presidential candidate Howard Dean broke the public/private threshold in his infamous “I Have a Scream Speech” in 2004. The difference here is that Dean’s career immediately ended due to him crossing this threshold, whereas Trump is currently the President of the United States. So why is this the case?

Stand up comedy is a medium in which Gunn’s public/private threshold is crossed quite frequently. Typically a person standing on a stage with a microphone will speak in a professional manner. Maybe they are a professor or a visiting lecturer, a politician or the principal of your high school, but in any case, they will most likely not get up on stage and talk about a sexual encounter with four other participants, as Amy Schumer does in the “Just for Laughs” festival in Montreal, or how their friend tried to race the police while highly intoxicated, as Dave Chappelle does in his comedy show “Killing Them Softly.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ3dk6KAvQM

This specific area of public/private crossing doesn’t just allow some flexibility in the rhetoric and speech topics of the comedian, but if done correctly can allow for extremely racist or sexist language to not only be accepted, but be egged on and met with laughter. Immediately after entering the stage at his “Live at Beacon Theater” show, Louis CK tells the audience to turn off their cell phones, not to take pictures, and also “No Jews… Jews aren’t allowed. If you’re Jewish, this is a good time to go. If you see someone kinda Jew-y lookin’, tell an usher and they will [escort them out].” Comedian Dave Chappelle, remarking on R. Kelly’s alleged urolagnia, says “you guys are confusing the issue. While you guys are busy worrying about whether R. Kelly even peed on this girl or not, you’re not asking yourself the real question, that America needs to decide once and for all, and that question is: how old is 15 really?” These comments, in context, were of course met with rapturous laughter from their respective audiences.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iod2tfiL_ZM

In the first Republican Presidential primary debate, when asked to explain himself for calling women fat pigs, dogs, and slobs, Donald Trump retorts, “only Rosie O’Donnell.” The insult is welcomed with laughs and applause from the audience that attended the debate, a response that eerily resembles that of an audience at a comedy club. Even the host of the debate, Megyn Kelly, cannot help but hold back a smile. Similarly, in the second Presidential debate, after Hillary Clinton remarked that “it’s just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country,” Trump immediately responded, “because you’d be in jail,” a comment that received a similar reaction from an audience that had pledged to stay silent. Even Bill Burr, a professional stand up comedian, has said in his podcast that Trump has “great one liners” and that he is “hilarious – he kills.”

Donald Trump has said many controversial and highly offensive things while running for the highest office in the United States, and yet has gotten relatively little flak for them. This is certainly partly due to the fact that many of his constituents agree with his rhetoric and values. However, another reason may be that his rhetoric is so unpolitically correct, so ineloquent, and so absolutely ridiculous in nature, that he crosses the public/private threshold that Gunn describes in a way that allows many of his voters to brush off his comments just as they would if a comedian in a comedy club had said them; that rhetorically, Donald Trump presents himself not as a politician, but more as a stand up comedian.

In response to being asked about Rosie O’Donnell making fun of him on “Late Night with David Letterman,” Trump says, “I’ve known Rosie for a long time, you know – I’ve always felt that she’s a degenerate…” A comment to which Letterman laughs and then replies “Wait a minute. You can’t say that. You can’t just say she’s a degenerate.”

Yes he can.